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Last post 06-20-2008, 8:45 PM by gtilley45. 67 replies.
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  •  06-01-2006, 12:23 PM 5454 in reply to 5450

    Re: Rider Turnout

    you can count the po-z crew in =)
    scoot
  •  06-23-2006, 12:13 PM 5585 in reply to 5454

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    h2os racing will be there if we can find it.
    on the gas
  •  06-23-2006, 12:29 PM 5586 in reply to 5585

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    quadfather:
    h2os racing will be there if we can find it.
    Yeah, it is a little tough, but directions are on the track page. Be sure not to turn onto 53 off of 79. If you turn there, you'll take a long ride on a dusty road. Take the right onto 24, then turn onto 53.


    .brit

    When in doubt, more gas!!!
  •  08-23-2006, 3:06 AM 6107 in reply to 4846

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    A track owners perspective:

    As one of the newest tracks in the Sequads series I would like to share some thoughts about some of the ideas already mentioned from my point of view.

    1. In order to get the track as moist as possible without having to practice in absolute mud we water CCMX the day before and into the early part of the night. This allows it to soak in as much as possible and the top surface to dry out some before practice starts. Delaying the start till later in the morning really defeats all the effort put into this because as soon as the sun pops out the water starts evaporating. Also you are asking the track workers, EMT's, and flaggers to mess up more of their day by starting and finishing later and to have to work more hours during the hottest time of the day. Good help is hard to find at a reasonable price, and the cost can easily run $75-$100 an hour for a small track for flaggers and an EMT.

    2. Awards. You are requiring the track to have on hand more awards than the number of racers that are showing up. You might consider cutting back to top 3 for each class till the numbers come back up. These things aren't cheap if you get nice one's and if any type of date or round # is included they are useless after the race unless a label can be changed.

    3. Talk to the staff during the race if there is a problem. I asked at riders meeting for the racers to let us know if a safety problem occured during the race. Yet, not one person let me know that dust was an issue on portions of the track I could not see from the finish line area, or that a water pipe had burst on the back side of the track. I see some are more than willing to tell everyone that reads this forum there was a problem though! Do you not see you are being your own worst enemy? Instead of taking action that would have got the problems fixed you just convinced other riders not to come to our Sequad events, because of dust and mud, thereby dropping the numbers further, and teed off the track owner as well. Thanks again to Britt and the other 2 riders who weren't afraid to grab a fire hose and help out.

    4. If you really love your hobby you will do what is necessary to make it work. If you don't love Mx then find one you do love. I have worked Friday night till 5 am on Saturday drove 90 miles and watched Chris race, drove back home and worked Saturday night till 3 am Sunday morning, got up at 7am and prepped the track for Sunday. I drove 420 miles on Monday, August 5 to pick up the plaques and trophies for the quad race and our Outcast Series race then worked 6:30 pm till 6 am that night. It is nothing for a bass fisherman to be up at 4am to be on the water at daybreak. If you want to sleep in, in the morning, play on a perfectly watered and manicured course, and still ride around on 4 wheels, consider GOLF. But don't slide it around on their grass like you do in our parking area or you will be asked to leave.

    Here is a challenge for you. Take a strip of dirt from 20 to 40 feet wide, 1 mile long, on a 27 acre site, that varies greatly in composition, slope, exposure to sun and wind and try to get it saturated with water without being muddy while applying around 20,000 gallons of water. Build and maintain 18 exciting but safe jumps that work for beginners to experts, provide trash pick up and removal, cut the grass in the parking areas, provide a bathroom (fish out the paper towels from the commode some heathen threw in) score each moto without a single mistake even though some quads don't have a rear # plate as is required and the front one wasn't wiped off after practice, provide more awards than there are racers,  ensure there are enough flaggers to make every jump safe, have an EMT on hand (or 2 and an ambulance, as was the case at CCMX) and do it all for a net profit of around $800 after having used practice money to buy the awards with. Now you can be a track owner and you can read a post from someone with all the answers (although he has not a clue) as how it should be done!

    Dennis Akins Chriscross Mx

  •  08-23-2006, 7:26 AM 6108 in reply to 6107

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    Dennis I appreciate you posting on here. That alone shows that you care about our sport, not to mention everything else you have done. You made some very valid point from a prospective that 90% of folks never get to hear maybe it will open some eyes.
    Currently Retired From ATV racing. New toy in the works.
  •  08-23-2006, 9:17 AM 6109 in reply to 6108

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    I've got an idea.  Let's have a pit bike race during the break.  Have a $15 entry fee and give some little trophies out.  Maybe this will draw more poeple and make more money.  I have a extra one someone can race!
    http://sequads.com/photos/quick919/default.aspx


    Matt Quick #919
  •  08-23-2006, 11:59 AM 6110 in reply to 6107

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    fourstrokesrule:

    profit of around $800

    Dennis Akins Chriscross Mx

     

    Your point is well taken. I'm sure you would have to do all the same work  for the bikes as well and would probably have just as many complaints because some people are going to complain no matter how nice the track is. Personally I appreciate everything that you did for our race. It might have got a little dusty but hey this was your first quad only race and not to mention it was around 100 degrees that day. I really appreciate  the flaggers on all the big doubles.

     Just curious, how much you would make off a bike race compared to a quad race?

    Bill

     

  •  08-23-2006, 4:54 PM 6116 in reply to 6109

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    I like the pit bike idea. I've been wanting to do one of those. I know I'm new to racing but it might be the cost to race that hurts turn out. I know it takes alot to run a track and put on an event but wages here in the south aren't exactly good and from what I can see it's mostly working class folks racing. Trying to scrape up $15 to go ride a track is hard enough with the gas prices and everything else going up. Trying to come up with an extra $70 a month to race is even harder. Plus with the spectators being charged the same to get in as the riders. I think alot more people would come if they could afford it. Like make it a $5 gate fee and $15 to race. I mean how much can those plastic trophies cost.
    Jason #113

    www.myspace.com/speedshifter

    http://sequads.com/photos/rockabilly13/default.aspx
  •  08-23-2006, 5:09 PM 6117 in reply to 6109

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    Quick 919:
    I have a extra one someone can race!
    I'll take you up on that! Yes

     

    .brit 


    When in doubt, more gas!!!
  •  08-23-2006, 5:14 PM 6118 in reply to 6116

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    rockabilly13:
    Like make it a $5 gate fee and $15 to race.
    Yeah, I agree that those price reductions would help, but since the track owners are already not bringing in enough to turn a profit I doubt that they would go along with that. Good suggestion, though. Got anymore? Big Smile

     

    .brit 


    When in doubt, more gas!!!
  •  08-23-2006, 7:04 PM 6123 in reply to 6118

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    Seems like we had pit bike races and all that in our first series and nobody ever signed up for it.  Do I remember this right or can somebody correct me?  I see what some of the people are saying about the early start times, entry fees, classes and all the other stuff and I somewhat agree.  But, I can also say that I understand what the SEQuads officials and the track owners are saying about these topics and I agree with that too.  I remember when this series was getting started, they had a meeting at Logan's Roadhouse and discussed all these topics and a few more.  I also know all the SEQuads officials fairly well personally and I think they all do the best they possibly can.  I'd be willing to bet they have more time and effort in this series than a lot of us realize.  I really enjoy this series and I'm at every race we have as long as I'm not working that weekend.  I didn't know Dennis needed some help watering at the CCMX race or I would have been more than willing to help out, everybody knows he's helped me out more than his share!!!!  That goes for any race, if ya'll need some help doing something come find me and I'll try to help out.  I know that I didn't make any real suggestions and this was more or less just me rambling on and not making any real points.  I just really hope ya'll get this figured out and we get to keep our series.  It is SO much nicer having this series than racing with the bikes.  I remember when I first started racing there were 3 quad classes.  A 2 stroke class, 4 stroke class, and minis.  So, after you watched the bajillion bike classes race and got to run your race, sometimes it was VERY late at night when you got home.  Seems like I've heard of a race at Corner taking so long, they had to line the track with trucks and use the headlights to light the track, don't know how true it is though.  Another thing that always pops into my head is if we have to go back to racing with the bikes, we are gonna be considered a joke because there wasn't enough support to keep the series going.  From what other  people have said to me, I think the biggest problem right now is the cost of gas and getting to a race.  There have been several times I've had people tell me "Man, I'd love to go but I don't have the money."  I know some of you guys have to drive further than me, but even for me going to a race means $100 easy and that is me coming by myself.  My hat is off to the folks that bring their whole family to the races.         
    '04 YFZ
    WR motor, gussetted and pro pegged frame, 6 point subframe, Walsh G-33s, Walsh stem, Fox DSC shocks, HiPers, Holeshots, Flexx bars, IMS Intimidator bumper, AC big peg nerfs, K&K tribal graphics and some other stuff.
  •  08-23-2006, 7:08 PM 6124 in reply to 6118

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    Yeah, If paying flaggers is a problem I know I and probably others wouldn't mind flagging or helping out in other ways between moto's if the prices we're lower. I mean track owners are complaining about only 800 dollars profit, sounds like two weeks pay in one day to me. ( no offence intended Dennis, I think your a stand up guy and put on a great event. I just needed a reference.lol)
    Jason #113

    www.myspace.com/speedshifter

    http://sequads.com/photos/rockabilly13/default.aspx
  •  08-23-2006, 7:34 PM 6125 in reply to 6124

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    So the pit bike race did'nt work last year!  I guess it won't work unless people have them.  Well everyone in my town have them.  I've got a couple of buddies that have tracks at their house and have pit bike races for fun.  I know not everybody has one  Maybe it's a bad idea I don't know???  Who all has a pit bike?  Most likely only a few....


    http://sequads.com/photos/quick919/default.aspx


    Matt Quick #919
  •  08-23-2006, 10:35 PM 6145 in reply to 6110

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    The profit would be about the same in a bike race. Fortunately we are close enough to Anniston and Oxford to draw more spectators than some "out of the way" tracks. I plan on advertising in the local papers for our next event in order to get more folks to come watch which would improve the bottom line. I hoped my post would get this thread going again with some positive input and ideas as well as letting you see how it is from the other side of the fence.

     We really jumped from the frying pan into the fire by holding our first race in August. We had probably pumped a  million gallons of water or more since installing our sprinklers without incident until the day of the race when the main line past the whoop section failed. This was most likely due to water hammer from Chris turning off fire hoses too fast. That disabled watering everything from the water tank toward the interstate including the starting gate. Murphy's Law I guess. 4 more fire hoses and 2 new connection points have been added since the race. You cannot use the sprinklers safely during a race as the water gets between tearoffs and blinds you, so fire hoses are the only option without stopping the racing. Perhaps 2 scheduled breaks for watering would be a better option along with another person on the hoses.

    A pit bike race can be fun but hasn't went over well at the bike races we have had. I ran in one at Chandler Mt a couple years ago and you went around the track in the opposite direction. I thought there was no bottom to one of the jumps till I felt it scrubbing skin from my face after crashing the XR100.

    What ever happened to all the mini quads that used to run at the bike races? There were several all nearly identical and made for some close racing. It seems to me that allowing 2 stroke motorcycle engined hybrids in the class killed it. It became a money=speed class and the others dropped out. I think  several classes where the bike must stay completely stock would bring new folks into the sport, cut cost and greatly improve the competition by leveling the playing field. Maybe talk to some of the local dealers and they would offer units at a cut price if they knew they could sell several, and the parents would know their kid could race without refinancing the house to "keep up with the Joneses". Make the penalty stiff if caught cheating, like you are out 100 points or 2 races, so temptation would be limited. Same kid seems to win every week, he gets a limited inspection to see if anything has been ported, polished, etc. Not a teardown but just pull the carb and exhaust and do a compression check. You get more kids out there in a close race and you get more grandparents and friends to come watch. Owners really don't care (at least I don't) whether the money comes from entry fees or gate fees as long as the day is profitable. You get the numbers up and you have leverage to go with it.

  •  08-23-2006, 10:41 PM 6146 in reply to 6145

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    I just wanted to say that the awards from Chriscross were pretty cool and thanx for holding a race!
    http://sequads.com/photos/quick919/default.aspx


    Matt Quick #919
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